Pi: 3.14159265...

Sent in by Tim B

My childhood was a fairly typical one as far as growing up goes. My parents were hard working middle class folks who weren’t particularly religious. For a time, we did attend an Anglican church where I was able to dress up as a camel for the Christmas pageant or go to the annual church picnic for lots of candy and games. My parents told me that when I was confirmed into the church, I was old enough to decide for myself if I wanted to keep going or not. I looked forward to my Confirmation with glee, knowing I could finally sleep in on Sunday mornings and never go to stupid, boring church again. And that’s what I did.

Then, a few years later, I went to University to study theater arts (I wanted to be a movie star at the time lol). When I got there I started to have a lot of fun doing drugs, dating girls and partying as hard as I could. One of my friends there was a Christian, and he enjoyed partying as much as I did. We became very good friends and ended up as roommates. We quickly earned the reputation of being the crazy dudes who liked to have a lot of fun – and we did.

But of course, his Christianity came up here and there and I began to read the bible a bit, and we would get stoned and have long conversations on god and the meaning of life. To make a long story short, one day I woke up and had a god experience. I felt that god was telling me to stop what I was doing and start to live a godly life. So I went on a truth crusade and basically abandoned all my friends (except my Christian friend) and started over from scratch. I started going to a Pentecostal church in my neighborhood (because they served free food to starving students) and I got a job at a Christian organization. I also got engaged to my friend’s ex-girlfriend (another long story) and almost overnight I was living a very fulfilling charismatic Christian life.

Of course I went nuts buying bibles for my family and telling them they were going to hell if they didn’t repent like me. I got very involved in the “Drama Ministry” at church and basically was engulfed in the Christian life with absolutely no non-Christian friends at all. I got married and my wife and I were happy little Christians living to please God in all that we did.

This went on for ten years. We have moved twice since attending that church (Pentecostal) and have been active members in two other churches, one being a Christian Missionary Alliance and the most recent being Christian Reformed. We both taught the Alpha bible study program and we both lead small groups. We attended retreats, we were baptized publicly (full immersion and in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Smoke), and we both received the gift of tongues. We were avid prayer group attendees, we helped out around the church with odd jobs, and we loved our friends there. I was very much into studying the word of god and I particularly loved Christian history and the early church fathers.

I listened to Hank Haanegraf, Charles Stanley, Ravi Zacharias and a slew of others. I was very much against the prosperity teachings of Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyers, Creflo Dollar and the doofus – Benny Hinn (although I did have friends who loved these guys). I was, for all intents and purposes, a Christian Apologist who was eager to tell the world how to get to heaven. My big frustration in life was that I had never “saved” anyone.

Then one day, last October (2007), I was on a forum that discussed god vs. everything else. Being the smart godly dude that I was, I enjoyed ranting about the sinful nature of man and the righteousness of the church. I read a post that talked about the bible and the value of Pi. I was intrigued and so I immediately looked up the passage. It was there in 1 Kings 7:23 that my life changed forever.

“23Now he made the sea of cast metal ten cubits from brim to brim, circular in form, and its height was five cubits, and thirty cubits in circumference. “ (NASB).

When I read it, I felt like there was a glass bubble that surrounded my brain and in an instant, the bubble was shattered into a million pieces. I was literally dumbfounded. I had found an error in the holy, perfect, inerrant word of god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In that instant, every argument I had ever had for the reality, perfection and truthfulness of god’s word was destroyed. God made a mistake. Not just a minor spelling mistake or textual mistranslation. This was MAJOR! God’s word said that Pi 3!!??!!.

For anyone who is interested, here is a link that explains Pi:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi

The value of Pi is approximately 3.1415926535897932384626433832795…on to infinity. It is an irrational number and mathematicians are still to this day calculating its size – so far it’s decimal translation has never repeated itself.

Once the bubble had burst, my eyes were finally opened. “Something like scales fell from my eyes!” 

I began to study all about the errors in the bible (which there are MANYMANYMANY!!!). I could not believe how stupid and foolish I was to have believed all this crap, not knowing it was all a lie! How many debates did I have with non-Christians (who I now call humans) about the smallest detail of Christ’s ministry? AARRRRGGHHHHHH!!!!. For the first week I was in utter shock. I told no one – not even my beautiful god-fearing wife. We had a 4 year old and one on the way. My wife was actually 7 months pregnant at the time. How could I tell her??? I would drive past churches and give them the finger and curse at their stupidity. I would curse myself for being such an idiot, and then I would laugh out loud at my new found freedom. I was FREE! Free from dogma. Free from the law. Free from grace. Free from HELL and free from Heaven! Free from ever feeling guilty for thinking a bad thought ever again! Free from having to convince my family that Jesus was the only way to heaven. Free from giving away 10% of my income every week! And most of all, I was free to sleep in on Sunday for the rest of my life!

I was going to wait till after the baby was born and after Christmas to tell my wife that she was now unequally yoked to a godless heathen, but my gut was in knots and my head was dizzy with all the “shock and awe” I was experiencing. So about two weeks later, I sat her down to have a bible study. In that study I went through ten pages of errors, inconsistencies and false prophesies in the bible to show her that it was not the inerrant word of god, but a human book that borrowed and stole bits and pieces of other cultures and their gods. At the end of the study, she thought I was insane and told me I needed to see a psychiatrist. Again, I really suck at convincing people to believe the same things I believe.

Over the course of the next two weeks, she began to study the bible on her own and really ask the hard questions. She had a lengthy discourse with a pastor friend of ours and was not getting the answers she was looking for. In the end, she came to the realization that the bible wasn’t 100% true and that Jesus was not god. Our marriage was saved, which is a good thing because I really love her and our children.

So I called my pastor to tell him that I could no longer direct the Christmas play or lead the drama ministry or lead small group, or believe in anything the bible had to say. We met to have a face to face talk, and I explained very honestly what happened. He was pretty much speechless. He had some words of advice, prayed for me and made plans to meet again. I have not heard from him since, and we have not been back to church since. We still talk to friends who go there and have no animosity towards anyone.

I am now free from the indoctrination of the bible, the dogmas and religious head games it plays, and above all the utter foolishness that the Christian bible teaches. I love my family more than ever, and I have a new found love for the human race that I had previously condemned to hell in the name of Jesus. I am truly free. And the value of Pi is NOT 3!

21 comments:

resonate11 said...

As a Naturalist who believes the Bible holds little truth or goodness, I am pleased that your glass bubble shattered. I loved the energy in your post.

Nevertheless, I am amazed at the stone which shattered your faith in the Bible. What did you think the Bible should say? That the cast metal was 9½ cubits across? That number still would have been "wrong". Or did you think it should say that the object's diameter was 9.5454545454 with the 54 repeating forever? Rounding up to ten cubits makes good sense to me.

Regardless, congratulations on your new found freedom and greater love!

Pull The Other One! said...

Nice post Tim. It's testimonies like yours that make this site great.

I only wish that other people would take a bit more time and write more than a couple of super-condensed paragraphs.

I agree that the Pi calculation is a rather strange point to pick up on though, I'd probably let the bible off the hook on that one too.

For me it was realising that the so-called 'prophecies' about Jesus that the gospel writers took from the old testament just don't match up, or even come close.

Sounds like you should have studied mathematics instead of drama!, but it doesn't really matter. The main thing is that it opened your eyes so that you could see everything else.

Anonymous said...

My guess is that Tim's faith on the in-errancy of the Bible was greater than most of ours.

Personally, I never expected the calculations to be that precise.

But, hey, whatever works. He's free now. Hallelujah!

Anonymous said...

"And the value of Pi is NOT 3!

It is if God say it is! God said it, I believe it, and that settles it.

OK, just kidding!

clair said...

Hey, I guess I must now change my general opinion that everyone is stubborn as hell and no one listens to anything. A few people have posted about helping a spouse and having the loved one wake up to reality. This gives me hope for others, including some on this site that are at wits end with their significant other. Clair

webmdave said...

Clair:

My wife followed me out of Christianity. It took a few years, and we still have several relatives preaching at us from time to time, but things between my wife and I are great.

It can happen. People DO have brains.

Pull The Other One! said...

Tim's story is a classic case of the biblical-inerrancy tactic completely backfiring.

If you're going to build a tall tower (with tall storeys), you have to allow it to sway slightly in the wind.

dunany77 said...

Thanks for all the comments and support everyone! Yes, I understand where your coming from about Pi. When I researched it, I found that the Persians, Indians and Egyptians all had more accurate values of Pi that predated the writers of the OT. Compared to them, the bible is WAY off. I wans't expecting a perfect number, just one that could be reasonably defended. But that was just the crack in the foundation that led me to further study where I was exposed to all the other crap that I had either explained away or just didn't see before. I am so glad to be out and free now. I feel like I finally have my brain back!

This is a great site to vent and share stories. Thanks to everyone for the support and encouragement! God is dead! Long live...ME!!!

AtheistToothFairy said...

dunany77 wrote:
When I researched it, I found that the Persians, Indians and Egyptians all had more accurate values of Pi that predated the writers of the OT. Compared to them, the bible is WAY off.
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Welcome aboard Tim,

It's always nice to have a new member who's has seen the light of reality !!

I have to agree with what others have said so far, in regards to the inaccuracy of PI in the bible.

It sure wouldn't have been enough (in this case) to make me think that god made a huge oops.
While I agree that these other ancient societies knew the value of PI far better, I don't think the intent in that bible verse was to demonstrate god's math abilities to the reader.

While many atheist websites do use this as an example of how the bible is wrong, it really doesn't prove much either way. If the bible had said flat out, that PI was exactly 3.0, then we'd have something to argue about.

However, even tiny problems like this, when added all together, sure can make one start to question the validity of this bible book.
If nothing else, the fact that god didn't take the opportunity to reveal his knowledge on the matter of PI in this scripture, just adds to the fact that it was a book written solely by MEN alone.

Now if these men had put in some unknown facts (to that era of time) into their writings, then we might have a reason to think this bible fable was more than just a work of man.
Alas, there is NOTHING in the pages of the bible to show us that a god had anything to do with it's content.


ATF (Who thinks PI is a remarkable number, as well as being hard to calculate to)

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AtheistToothFairy said...

gocoldturkey wrote:
....can you elaborate a little bit on what we are free from?
-Miguel


Miguel,
I believe the OP Tim, already answered this question, so why ask it ?

Tim said:
Free from dogma. Free from the law. Free from grace. Free from HELL and free from Heaven! Free from ever feeling guilty for thinking a bad thought ever again! Free from having to convince my family that Jesus was the only way to heaven. Free from giving away 10% of my income every week! And most of all, I was free to sleep in on Sunday for the rest of my life!

So Miguel, did that answer your question, or might you be a troll instead?

ATF

gocoldturkey said...

Seriously, I'm sorry. I wasn't trying to be a troll. I guess I acccidentally skipped over the part where it was answered in the testimonial. Thank you for highlighting me that part again that I missed though :).

gocoldturkey said...

From reading that though, wouldn't you kinda be technically free to do those things already? I mean after all it is your own choice right?

dunany77 said...

hey, Gotcoldturkey,

as far as being free is concerned, when I was a believer, I was totally immersed in the Christian paradigm and looked at everything through biblical goggles. I believed that there were two kinds of people in the world - saved and unsaved. Hell was a reality and keeping people out of hell was my duty (through the holy spirit bla bla bla) So when I say I am free from hell and heaven and all that I mean that I am now free from the psychological and emotional bondage to these false beliefs. I can now live my life without fearing that my unsaved family members will burn in hell for eternity! Yayy!!! It feels very good to have an open mind and not condemn others for not believing what I believe. I am free to find my own way in the world without a stupid 2000 year old book telling me what to do.

Anonymous said...

Good on you Tim, and good news about your wife.

Brett

Free Thinker said...

Hi Tim, wonderfull post. I can identify with your thought process because it was when god said a bat is a bird that started my freedom. Leviticus 11 vs. 13 thru 19 and in Deuteronomy 14, same verses. Erich

Free Thinker said...

whoops - I forgot to tag the follow up box !!

Big Daddy Jude said...

The truth exists. If you seek religion you will find bondage. If you seek the truth you will find the truth and true freedom. If you believe God doesn't exist, you are a fool. If you don't believe that Yeshua(Jesus) is the Messiah and Saviour of the world, you are condemning your ownself to Hell by denying the only salvation and redemption available to mankind. Indeed there are struggles to find the truth in this society of lies and deception, but you can KNOW the TRUTH. One should rather endure the struggles in this life on the road to truth instead of suffering in Hell and the lake of fire for eternity. Jesus is not a religious figure but a governmental one. Jesus said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.(John 7:16-17) Jesus also said, My kingdom (kingship, royal power) belongs not to this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My followers would have been fighting to keep Me from being handed over to the Jews.(John 18:36)
His Kingdom is real. Whether you ever believe it or not, the truth still exists. Therefore,don't let your feelings and circumstances dictate the truth to you. Suicide is one of the most selfish things one could do or consider. Selfishness not only will cause you to take someone elses life but ultimately your own. So stop being selfish, and change your way of thinking and your way of doing things. Believe in Jesus and learn more about Him so you can enter the Kingdom of God.(God's way of thinking and doing things.) God is blameless. Don't blame Him, because it is our sins that got us in the mess we're in. He's only trying to Help mankind. Let us not suppress the truth we know. May you find true peace from knowing and doing the truth.

Astreja said...

BDJ, stop spamming the board with the same asinine and irrelevant comments on multiple threads. If cut-and-paste is the best you can offer in the way of discussion, I suggest that you and your invisible friends bugger off back to Yeshuaville.

dunany77 said...

Hello, BigDaddyJude. Let's see, you said,

"The truth exists. If you seek religion you will find bondage. If you seek the truth you will find the truth and true freedom. If you believe God doesn't exist, you are a fool."

Based on your comments above, I can only assume that you have not read my testimony, and that you are a zealous, fundamental christian who thinks he can plant seeds of faith with these dogmatic rants in the hopes of "saving" me. I think we would have made good friends had I not seen fit to place my brain back inside my head and start using it.

I honestly feel sorry for you. When I read your comment, I see the obvious robot mentality that once afflicted me. Your logic and circular reasoning are a strong reflection of your programming by your mentors and pastors who fill you with their own ill-gotten reason.

"don't let your feelings and circumstances dictate the truth to you."

I would advise you to take your own counsel and stop basing your life on an emotional experience or family upbringing. Question what you believe and test it to see if it stands up under scrutiny. Do not follow blindly where others have tread with their own blindfolds on. Put your bible down and take up skepticism, and ask the tough questions. Where did the bible come from? Who wrote it? Why? When was it written? What were the circumstances around it's creation?

Here is a website that you may find helpful:
http://www.pocm.info/getting_started_pocm.html

I honestly hope you come to your senses and begin to use you brain for yourself, instead of relying on what someone else has told you. And please try to read a post before you blindly submit your comments. It is very rude.

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