Jesus Person No More
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In 1971 I got "saved and became one of early "Jesus People" who attended Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa in Santa Ana, California. First it was in the big circus tent, and then in the new sanctuary. I was baptized in 1971 at Pirate's Cove at Corona Del Mar, and I married Calvary's live-in janitor in 1973, for ten years.
I also attended a small charismatic church called Shekinah who had this flamboyant "healer" preacher named Brant Baker, but he ended up dying of AIDS.
There was a lot of conforming for a female in the church to do. I was to "submit" to my husband, "obey" him and in other words, dote on him and be his yielding slave. It didn't bother me at the time, not until after I matured.
Even worse, was the rampant anti-intellectualism. We were not encouraged to go to college because it was "secular" and "of the flesh," and yet at the same time it was demanded of the men to be a good provider and have a stable job. I guess the church didn't ever want us to think too much or to question anything or to use our brains at all.
My husband was very good friends with Greg Laurie, pastor of Calvary Chapel of Riverside, and in 1974 we basically picked up and moved to Riverside, following Greg after his wedding to Cathe. In fact, we all four lived in the same big house, a house that Calvary Chapel of Riverside owned (we cut it in half to make it a duplex). My husband was vying for the position of Assistant Pastor and he wanted it very badly but ultimately it was awarded to someone else and this broke his heart. Greg Laurie went on to form the mega-church, Harvest ministries, and he is supposed to be Billy Graham's replacement.
Ultiimately we moved away, divorced in 1983, I remarried and had a daughter and went to college - something I never felt encouraged to do by the church back then. I fell in love with Psychology and Carl Jung and found Christianity too literal and anti-intellectual. I have not been back to church, since.
It wasn't a sudden de-conversion, it was gradual. And I paid for it psychologically. In fact, I ended up needing to talk about it in therapy a whole bunch. I had a lot of cognitive dissonance over it, alot of thinking I was going to go to hell. Mostly what bothered me was a certain sermon by Pastor Chuck Smith, Sr. about the Sin Against the Holy Spirit. He had taught us that if we "backslid enough, we would not know exactly the moment when we would lose our salvation. I was haunted by this sermon for many years until I was able to resolve my fears in therapy.
Leaving Christianity freed me up for so many things, intellectually. I was free to explore philosophy, other points of view, even other religions. I found I enjoy the wisdom of many Eastern Religions, especially the Dali Lama and Tibetan Buddhism, but I do not have to get involved in the rituals or heavy belief systems if I don't want to. I prefer to think of myself as an Agnostic - I don't know if there is a God and I'm sure no one else knows for sure.
There's a new found sense of inner volition and responsibility that you gain when you let go of blaming everything that happens on either "God's will" or "Satan's attacks."
In 1971 I got "saved and became one of early "Jesus People" who attended Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa in Santa Ana, California. First it was in the big circus tent, and then in the new sanctuary. I was baptized in 1971 at Pirate's Cove at Corona Del Mar, and I married Calvary's live-in janitor in 1973, for ten years.
I also attended a small charismatic church called Shekinah who had this flamboyant "healer" preacher named Brant Baker, but he ended up dying of AIDS.
There was a lot of conforming for a female in the church to do. I was to "submit" to my husband, "obey" him and in other words, dote on him and be his yielding slave. It didn't bother me at the time, not until after I matured.
Even worse, was the rampant anti-intellectualism. We were not encouraged to go to college because it was "secular" and "of the flesh," and yet at the same time it was demanded of the men to be a good provider and have a stable job. I guess the church didn't ever want us to think too much or to question anything or to use our brains at all.
My husband was very good friends with Greg Laurie, pastor of Calvary Chapel of Riverside, and in 1974 we basically picked up and moved to Riverside, following Greg after his wedding to Cathe. In fact, we all four lived in the same big house, a house that Calvary Chapel of Riverside owned (we cut it in half to make it a duplex). My husband was vying for the position of Assistant Pastor and he wanted it very badly but ultimately it was awarded to someone else and this broke his heart. Greg Laurie went on to form the mega-church, Harvest ministries, and he is supposed to be Billy Graham's replacement.
Ultiimately we moved away, divorced in 1983, I remarried and had a daughter and went to college - something I never felt encouraged to do by the church back then. I fell in love with Psychology and Carl Jung and found Christianity too literal and anti-intellectual. I have not been back to church, since.
It wasn't a sudden de-conversion, it was gradual. And I paid for it psychologically. In fact, I ended up needing to talk about it in therapy a whole bunch. I had a lot of cognitive dissonance over it, alot of thinking I was going to go to hell. Mostly what bothered me was a certain sermon by Pastor Chuck Smith, Sr. about the Sin Against the Holy Spirit. He had taught us that if we "backslid enough, we would not know exactly the moment when we would lose our salvation. I was haunted by this sermon for many years until I was able to resolve my fears in therapy.
Leaving Christianity freed me up for so many things, intellectually. I was free to explore philosophy, other points of view, even other religions. I found I enjoy the wisdom of many Eastern Religions, especially the Dali Lama and Tibetan Buddhism, but I do not have to get involved in the rituals or heavy belief systems if I don't want to. I prefer to think of myself as an Agnostic - I don't know if there is a God and I'm sure no one else knows for sure.
There's a new found sense of inner volition and responsibility that you gain when you let go of blaming everything that happens on either "God's will" or "Satan's attacks."
Comments
Just know this, the very thing you fear the most will come upon you in due season.
As it is said elsewhere,
"All flesh is like grass and will wither and perish. But the Lord and his Word will endure forever"
"God is patient and you Melody will die in due time..... which is why the blackest darkness has been reserved..... So much more severe the punishment will be because you have trampled under your foot the Son of God ... blah blah blah"
Oh brother how very sick you anonymous xtians are. I am sure you live a very lonely and hate filled life, it shows in your post. There is no caring, just condemnation. How very sad for you. If there is a hell, you must be living it at this very moment.
Your post makes every atheists point for us. Your god is petty and full of very human hatred. You and your believer friends are psychologically twisted, and I am glad I don't hang with you freaks anymore.
Onanite
Why is that the self-righteously condemning Christians always post as "anonymous?"
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So, you seem to say, that the SuperNatural does exist, but mankind can't access it with their Natural minds. However, a SuperNatural god/entity can contact us in this Natural reality.
The reason a Natural mind can't access a SuperNatural entity by definition, is because the Natural mind resides in this Natural Universe, and... because one must have "context", in order to identify what is, and what isn't SuperNatural. Its pretty clear, if one isn't born with a SuperNatural codex to work from, that a Natural mind doesn't have the ability to "discern" the Natural from the SuperNatural, as all a person has to work from is their "Natural" knowledge.
So, how does the mind distinguish between Natural and SuperNatural claims, when no one has a SuperNatural context to work from?
Let me guess, a person will know it when it happens to them. Great, so, a person "convinces" themselves that they have an event and they "claim" it to be "SuperNatural"... How, then, with no "context", does a person discern between "SuperNatural" entities... In short, you say you had a SuperNatural episode, but... who is to say it was your "god", it could just as well, have been the thousand other SuperNatural gods available, believed to exist in the SuperNatural realm, to include Satan.
Who *are* you? I was at Shekinah too, and your post-Shekinah evolution sounds a lot like mine!
Write me if you want - david.koerner@nau.edu
However, as a Pagan, we do keep a watch on those who might wish harm (or at least conversion) on our own. To that end, I am curious, since you seem to have known Greg Laurie rather well. Does he have any specific beef against Pagans or Wiccans? Of course I understand that he's not going to like us, and hopes that we'll "come to our senses" but is there anything beyond that?
Many thanks for whatever you can provide, and please email me at lidia@seebeck.us...
You say you were saved, and if this is truely so, then you have a new creation in you, you have the old creation also as Paul said.
So in my opinion, you can run away as far as you want, and refuse to believe anynore, and possibly lose some rewards, but you cant become, "unborn again" if my reading of the new birth in the bible is correct.
That which was implanted in you is sinless and will last till you die and then God will reveal His grace to you...
Calvary Chapel did not save you.. and if you can show me how you can leave Christianity it would be interesting...
You may not practise it, but neither can the rain fall upwards, or the you float to outspace on your own power, God is in control, and if you try to say there is no God, then we dont exist since we are a creation therefore, there is a Creator...
(and don't ask me who created Supergoddess, because rain doesn't fall upwards!)
lol!
But the good news is God is still
loving you !!
Christianity is not: does and dont
maybee your former church was like that is some sence I dont know but
I feel free and happy as I relaxe in Him and enjoy life with a tremendes peace in my heart that I did not have before I let jesus into my heart ! please try him again and I am sure you will find rest for your soul ! ps He loves you friend....David
I was also a member of Shekinah Fellowship from 1973-77. I have spoken with you David and it was nice to email you a couple of years ago. I also left Shekinah but not in any bitterness about Brant only sadness, God did use im to help others you cant deny that. I fell away myself for 20 yrs, but have come back to my true faith in God. Do you remember me at all Melody????
Will look forward to hearing from either of you.
Hannelore
loriwittman@hotmail.com
I, too, was a part of the early Jesus movement. There was an innocent naivete' that permeated the day and many were duped by showy, circus barkers!
It is sad that so many legalistic bastards snuffed out the desire to search, learn and find our own way on our journey of life! They used their pulpits to deal with their own insecurities, schisms and addictions!
I feel fortunate to have always questioned everything, searching for truth; and no one could stop me; though some tried!
Today, I am still a believer in Christ as Messiah. I love and respect my friends who believe otherwise.
I have learned over the last 33 years that an open heart and listening ear do more good than narrow minded religiosity.
My prayer for you is that any old wounds that may still fester will become just faint memories, like a bad dream.
My God is a gracious lover of mankind.
Peace.
kit