Got kicked out of Church!

sent in by Maureen Perez

I hope I'm on the right site for me. I was baptized Methodist, spent childhood in Pentecostal faith, converted to Catholic as an adult, and now I consider myself to be spiritual but anti-religious.

Back in the '70's when I was 12, my mom got interested in Astrology and joined a psychic circle. She occasionally took me with her and I enjoyed it alot. I started reading a lot of books...Edgar Cayce and others based on reincarnation, etc.

Every week my and my girlfriend would scan the bible for scriptures that disagreed with our Youth Group discussions. We enjoyed asking forbidden questions. We were both kicked out of church by the pastor because we "dared" to question the sincerity of some idiot evangelist named Katherine Kuhlman that the church believed was legit. The paper said she was being investigated for tax evasion, lived in a mansion, had a fleet of rolls royces, etc. I asked my teacher" how come you consider Katherine Kuhlman's words to come from God when she is being investigated for tax evasion and has all these material things but you accuse Edgar Cayce's healings and readings to be from the devil and he was not materialistic at all and lived a very virtuous life and considered his gifts to come from God, and lived a very humble life?"

After that class, the pastor took us aside and said "if you don't like what we teach then maybe you better go elsewhere?" What a jerk!!! So, we did. I continued my spiritual studies and eventually started attending Unity Church which is a very cool church. They are totally comfortable mingling traditional Christianity with metaphysical beliefs. Eventually I met my husband who was a Catholic and after going to some services, decided it was a much more tolerant religion than the Pentecostal church I was raised in, which condemned every branch of every religion except themselves. That's what I really hated about that church.

So, I converted to Catholicism. Then over the years I have resumed my spiritual studies and have decided that organized religion sucks, they are a bunch of intolerant hypocrites who interpret the Bible to suit their own prejudices and desires to control others.

I am much happier maintaining my relationship with the Divine by communicating directly with him/her instead of "paying church leaders to make the connection for me".

They are such idiots. Every time I hear a "Christian" spouting off...usually negatively against someone else, it reaffirms that my anti-religion choice is the correct one for me.

My beliefs now are definitely "New Age" based. I believe in reincarnation, in the feminine aspect of God as well as the male one, and believe the Bible to be a bunch of crap. God didn't write it...man did! I do believe in some of the historical scriptures but the rules and regs are BS, for the most part.

Anyhow this is my point of view...

Thx for allowing me to vent.



City: Antioch
State: CA
Country: USA
Became a Christian: birth
Ceased being a Christian: 40
Labels before: Methodist, Pentecostal, Catholic
Labels now: anti-organized religion
Why I joined: I was baptized...didn't know any better!
Why I left: organized religion is hypocritical and controlling , tries to control you
Email Address: moeim2 at aol.com

43 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hey Maureen!
You really need to get to know God personally. Did you know that without accepting Christ you wont be able to inherit God's Kingdom?

Well my advice to you is that you need to get to know God

Anonymous said...

Hey Maureen!
You really need to get to know Allah personally. Did you know that without accepting Allah you wont be able to inherit Allah's Kingdom?

Well my advice to you is that you need to get to know Allah

Anonymous said...

MAUREEN YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO WORK OUT YOUR SALVATION YOURSELF. JUST THINK IF YOUR WRONG ---WHAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD TO AT THE END OF THE TRAIL. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN PEOPLE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN GOD. PEOPLE FAIL ALL THE TIME EVEN THE ONES THAT ARE LEADERS. BUT TO HAVE SOMETHING INSIDE TO BELIEVE IN YOU CAN'T FAIL. YOU CAN'T SEE GOD BUT YOU CAN FEEL HIM. YOU CAN'T SEE THE WIND BUT YOU CAN FEEL IT. REMEMBER THAT WHEN YOU NEED HIM JUST TURN AROUND FROM THE WAY YOU ARE GOING AND HE IS THERE WAITING ON YOU TO SAY I LOVE YOU. THANKS FOR READING

Anonymous said...

You know i can't think of a book that has lasted so many years as the bible has lasted. Been a good book for me. When i started reading and doing what i thought it said and not what people told me what it said i started getting the blessing that the bible told me i would have. Read it for yourself and have a open mind. I got kicked out of a church for not wearning a dress. But i didn't have one and i knew that that was what man would do not God. So i prayed and went to a different church and i am happy to know that i have something to look forward to when i die besides the grave. You know the things in the word of God are coming to pass so think about Jesus. He is not sending you to hell and would never send you to hell. He died for you why would He send you to hell. We have a choice to make so make the right choice.

Jim Arvo said...

Anony: "You know i can't think of a book that has lasted so many years as the bible has lasted."

I can think of quite a few: The Mahabharata, which includes the Bhagavad-Gita, The Upanishads, Virgil's The Aeneid, The I Ching, Homer's Odyssey and Iliad, and Euclid's Elements (a math book!). Those books all rock too. Have you read any of them?

Anony: "Been a good book for me. When i started reading and doing what i thought it said and not what people told me what it said i started getting the blessing that the bible told me i would have."

Of course, those who study the Koran, or the Book of Mormon, or even the I Ching make similar claims. You do realize that, right?

Anony: "Read it for yourself and have a open mind."

Virtually all of us have read the Bible, and most of us have even believed it at one point. I assert that it was precisely the property of having an open mind that afforded us the luxury of doubting it and finally rejecting it as anything more than an ancient text written by men.

Anony: "I got kicked out of a church for not wearning a dress."

Funny, I got kicked out for wearing one! (Just kidding.)

Anony: "...i am happy to know that i have something to look forward to when i die besides the grave."

You mean that you are happy that you now anticipate something beyond the grave. (The difference is subtle, but stated the second way I have no quarrel with what you said.)

Anony: "You know the things in the word of God are coming to pass so think about Jesus."

By "the word of God" I presume you mean the Christian Bible, right? What makes you think it's the word of a supernatural entity? There are many books that purport to be such, and I think we can both agree that almost all of them are nothing of the kind (the only difference is that I am content to remove the word "almost", and you are not). As for "thinking about Jesus", we do that here on a daily basis.

Anony: "He died for you why would He send you to hell."

You mean he died temporarily, right? You actually believe that he is alive and well, body and all, in heaven, don't you? And when he performed the feat, it was actually to appease himself (as god), right?

Anony: "We have a choice to make so make the right choice."

I think I've made a marvelously good decision to think for myself, and to not simply adopt any dogma that is thrust upon me. In so doing, I've come to the almost inescapable conclusion that Christianity is no more real than the thousands of other religions invented by man.

Anonymous said...

HI JIM I THINK WE WERE ASKED TO HELP MAUREEN NOT TO BEAT SOMEONE UP ABOUT HOW THEY BELIEVE.

Jim Arvo said...

Another nameless anonymous said "I THINK WE WERE ASKED TO HELP MAUREEN NOT TO BEAT SOMEONE UP ABOUT HOW THEY BELIEVE." We "were asked"? Asked by whom? The other Anonymous? So, one Anonymous is vaguely trying to explain an indirect reference of another Anonymous. Too many anonymi, and too much indirect and vague subterfuge.

By the way, I don't see that Maureen has beaten anybody up. So, that makes no sense at all. If either of you have something SPECIFIC to add, go right ahead, particularly if you take the bold step of using the "Other" button when you post, so we don't need to refer to you as Anonymous, or Anony, or Nony, etc.

Anonymous said...

GLAD TO HAVE RUN INTO SOMEONE AS SMART AS YOU. GOD BLESS YOU AND KEEP FIGHTING LIFE IS HARD AND THE ONLY WAY TO GET THREW IT IS TO MAKE IT ANYWAY YOU CAN. NOT TRYING TO BE SMART BECAUSE I AM NOT. BY NOW EVERYONE KNOWS THAT. JUST STAY HAPPY THAT IS ALL AND HAVE A GOOD LIFE.

Anonymous said...

GOD BLESS YOU, I RECENTLY GOT KICKED OUT OF CHURCH, I REALLY DONT EVEN KNOW EXACTLY WHY? WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT TO ME IT MEANS THAT THE LORD DOES NOT WANT ME OR MINE THERE,HE HAS MORE FOR US, SOMETIMES YOUR SEASON IS JUST UP, THE LORD WANTS YOU TO GO TO ANOTHER LEVEL, MAN WILL FAIL YOU BUT JESUS NEVER WILL, WEEPING MAY ENDURE FOR A NIGHT BUT JOY COMES IN THE MORNING, DO NOT GIVE UP ON GOD BECAUSE HE DOES NOT GIVE UP ON YOU, IF MAN EVER THINKS THAT BECAUSE OF WHO HE IS OR WHO HE KNOWS THAT HE IS SOMETHING HE IS FOOLING HIMSELF, GOD IS NOT A RESPECTOR OF PERSONS, AND HE THAT IS IN POSITIONS OVER THE SHEEP WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR ALL ACTIONS, FORSAKE NOT MY LITTLE ONE'S, WOE TO HIM, A GOOD SHEPARD LEAVES THE 99 AND GO AFTER THAT ONE, I DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON WITH PASTORS KICKING FOLK OUT OF CHURCH, ESPECIALLY IF SOMEONE REPENTS, IF THE LORD CAN FORGIVE YOU, SO CAN THE PASTOR, PRAY FOR THE LEADERS, JESUS LOVES YOU AND HE HAS AN AWESOME PLAN FOR YOUR LIFE!

God's child said...

We must always seek God's truth,God is in total control so when it our time for God to reveals himself to us and reveals
who you really are, this is the difference from beleiving in God and having a personal relationship with Him. this is different from being "born again", it becomes a way of life, a walk

God's child said...

Please forgive my spelling errors
I did not proof it.I think it gets
my point across.The thought I love is that no matter what we do God still loves us, He may not like the act, but He still loves his child and will restore grace if I repent as King David did,a man after God's own heart. Jesus Christ is the answer to our troubles, without Him we have no hope.Knowing why we are here on earth in flesh is the key, it's all about a decision, we have a choice, choose well.

Jim Arvo said...

Anonymous, the "Caps Lock" key is located just above the shift key on the left, and the "Other" button is located just to the right of the "Blogger" button. (In fact, you pass over it on your way to "Anonymous".) Just trying to help.

"God's child": Your religion is one of thousands. If I told you that you must pray to Allah five times a day, or accept Krishna's gifts, or follow that path of Buddha, you would immediately dismiss my words, would you not? After all, those are just "false" religions, right? Well, if you can keep that in mind for a moment, you may begin to appreciate how you sound to us. If you've got some credible evidence to support the existence of your chosen deity, let's hear it. If no, then your time is better spent elsewhere. Bye now.

Anonymous said...

My dear, Just focus in God, He is the Beginning and the End.

wayne cole said...

I'll pray for you, that the eyes of your understanding will be enlightened to know the truth, for only knowing the truth can you be set free. You story and background make me sad for you. The actions that you when you we're young, exhibit rebellion to authority, it is alright to question something, but, to be asked to leave a fellowship, there must have been more then your story tells. Hence, you have never ask for forgiveness, and this behavioral trait has stayed with you all these years. When you decide that you want the truth, you will have to ask for forgiveness first, and only then can you know the truth that can set you free.

New Yorker said...

Jim Arvo - you sound like a very arrogant, angry, bitter, CONDESCENDING, self-righteous soul! Why do you find you have to respond to everyone that post a positive comment about Christianity? It's almost like you are trying to convince YOURSELF, as well as the world of your beliefs! If you really felt secure in the way you feel and you had total peace in your heart and life about it, than you wouldn't be so angry towards Christians or any other person who feels differently! Why would it bother you so much if you know "the truth" !
You give the impression that Christians try to push their beliefs on people; seems to me that's what YOU'RE doing! You want to start a fight with people who aren't even fighting with you! I think your so angry about it because deep down you know what your saying is crap!
Just like you want the option to believe what you want, give people the same courtesy!
And for the record, the reason I'm not putting my name is because you might be some insane lunatic. Let's face it, we live in a world of real wackos and I wouldn't want a wacko looking me up.

boomSLANG said...

"You really need to get to know God personally."

I'm sorry, Maureen, but no one knows God "personally". Conceptually speaking, God is a timeless/limitless "being". In order to detect God with your limited 5 physical senses, you would have to put limits on your God, as well. If I'm wrong, then please--any Christian who knows God "personally", I ask you to take this time to give a detailed description of what God looks like and/or sounds like. How tall is God?...5'7?...5'11?...12 foot even? What color are God's eyes? When God speaks directly to you, does God speak perfect English?..or does God have a middle-eastern accent? You get the idea.

Waiting.

boomSLANG said...

"YOU CAN'T SEE GOD BUT YOU CAN FEEL HIM. YOU CAN'T SEE THE WIND BUT YOU CAN FEEL IT."

THE WIND CAN...whoops! sorry...the wind can move a fleet of 40 ton clippers at once. God can't move a 30 lb child out of the way of an on-coming drunk driver.

The invisible and the non-existant look a lot alike.

boomSLANG said...

"When you decide that you want the truth, you will have to ask for forgiveness first, and only then can you know the truth that can set you free."

Wayne---assuming you finished highschool, did you ask for "forgiveness" before you learned the "truth" about geometry?...how about Algebra? In fact, Wayne, I would argue that in order to know the objective "truth" about something, that you would first have to give up your subjective religious convictions---starting with the non-sensical apologetic soundbites.

Kiki Cherry said...

Maureen,

I just want to say that your story touched me and made me sad. I am so sorry for what the church has done to you.

Because we are all sinful people, even people who call themselves Christians--and who may even truly have a personal relationship with God--sometimes act in an arrogant, insensitive and unkind manner.

When we do that, we bring shame to the name of Christ. God Himself is true and good and loving.

Thankfully, He is also merciful. He shows compassion on those of us who do not deserve it, and forgives when we have note earned the right to be forgiven.

I can't convince you that God is real. But I can tell you what He has done in my life, and pray that He Himself will just wrap His arms around you and show you His incredible love.

boomSLANG said...

"I am so sorry for what the church has done to you."

Is it me?...or when we see patronizing comments such as the above statement, that we know what subjective ministering is likely to follow? Ms. Cherry, it is NOT the building; it is NOT the cross on the building; it is NOT the parking lot full of cars with fish stickers on them; it is NOT a group of polyester clad people singing hymns; it is NOT the marquee in front of the building---no, it is NONE of these things that are responsible for messing people's heads up....it is the Christian belief, ITSELF, that does this. If any reasonable adult reads "God's Word" while taking it's contents at *face* value, then any reasonable adult can see the hypocracy, the contradictions, the incohesiveness, and most of all, the absurd CONDITIONS that are clearly delineated to obtain entry into "heaven". Love based on conditions, is not real love. And please spare us the "freewill" gag.

"Because we are all sinful people, even people who call themselves Christians--and who may even truly have a personal relationship with God--sometimes act in an arrogant, insensitive and unkind manner."

Lol! That's a good one--"even" Christians are "sinful". Yeah, if anything, they are MORE "sinful", because they have an invisible scapegoat waiting to forgive them. A law abiding Eastern Indian man can live a decent life, providing for his family, etc...yet, in the Christian realm, he will presumably be spending an eternity roasting in hell because he is not Chrsitian---meanwhile, a whole prison full of rapists, murderers, theives, child molesters will get a ticket to "Heaven" because they now have a "personal relationship" with Jesus. How can ANY rationally thinking adult not see the lunacy in this? Oh, wait... I know how---you've been brainwashed to NOT think rationally...I forgot.

"When we do that, we bring shame to the name of Christ. God Himself is true and good and loving."

You've obviously been reading your bible "buffet" style.

"Thankfully, He is also merciful."

Incinerating people for all of eternity for merely being skeptical is "merciful"????....and worse, for being no more skeptical than Christians are of every OTHER God known to man? More lunacy.

"I can't convince you that God is real."

Just like I can't convince you that Pinnochio is real. Imagine that.(pun intended)

"But I can tell you what He has done in my life, and pray that He Himself will just wrap His arms around you and show you His incredible love."

Yes, you can tell us your personal experiences with your imaginary friend, but they have no referant in reality. Just like a Muslim will tell you their personal experiences with Muhammad---it won't phase you one single bit, will it?(rhetorical)

Anonymous said...

You Came Alone
You came to this world alone, You'll leave this world alone. You came to this world naked, you'll leave naked, You came to this world from somewhere, you're going back when your time is full.
Maureen, this I will tell you, "prepare to meet your God". Jesus loves you.

Musa said...

If anyone is perfect, that one never so this forum so he or she will not contribute anything here.

If anyone really knows the truth and has it all, that one will not argue or fight with what othes believe even if it is so called 'crap'. But will bring answers to the questions being asked, reveal the truth to the confused, give direction to those who are hopelessly searching for the truth, and rebuke those who know the truth but do not adhere to the truth. Remember: you are completely unable to identify correctly and fix some elses problem while you yourself are working in complete ignorance.

The greatest integrity in life is to be honest to yourself and your maker. We do not need to be impressed, we cannot save you, we do not control the universe, or even death, but you have a write to determine your destiny. Listen to you own conscience it will never lie to you. You may lie to others or even to your self but your inner self knows better.

GOD KNOWS ALL.
MAY THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE SHOULD BE SEARCHING FOR, THE ONE WHO KNOWS ALL AND UNDERSTANDS ALL....

AT LEAST THIS NO ONE CAN DENY:
NO ONE KNOWS THE END OF LIFE BUT AT LEAST YOU WILL DIE KNOWING IF LEAVED FOR THE GOOD OR EVIL...THAT WILL BE YOUR DESTINY....

SO RELAX...AND LISTEN TO THAT VERY SOFT QUIET SMALL VOICE THAT NEVER LIES.... IN THIS CLUTTER AND NOISE IT IS STILL VERY CLEAR AUDIBLE....

....REPENT OR PERISH.....
'''TRY TO ARGUE I.... IT STILL SAYS THE SAME THING....REPENT OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES.......

MAKE PEACE WITH OTHERS AS MUCH AS IS POSSIBLE...

NEVER LEAVE IN SELF CONDEMNATION....THAT IS FOR PEOPLE WHO DO WRONG KNOWING THE TRUTH AND WON'T ADMIT THEIR FAULT....

ALL RELIGIONS ARE A MAN'S MEANS TO FIND A GOD......

BUT LIFE IS ABOUT RELATING WITH YOUR ENVIRONMENT AND EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING IN IT......

DOING THAT WHICH YOU WISH SHOULD BE DONE TO YOU TOO....

SEE! SIMPLE!

SAVE YOU ENERGY AND LIFE SPAN BY FORGIVING AND FORGETTING THEIR WRONGS TO YOU........

THEN YOU WILL LEARN WHO, WHAT AND WHEN TO TRUST....

LOVE IS THE CENTRE OF ALL.......
AT LEAST YOU DO NOT NEED TO BELIEVE IN LOVE.....

IT'S EITHER YOU LOVE OR YOU DON'T.

ENJOY LIFE...FEAR GOD...RESPECT OTHERS....HONOUR YOUR SUPERIORS...

YOU WILL REAP THE SAME BACK SOONER OR LATER....

DO NOT BE A MAN PLEASER... YOU WILL DIE BEFORE TIME.....

YOU CANNOT MAKE THEM ALL LOVE YOU... BUT YOU CAN LEARN HOW TO TREAT EACH ONE OF THEM AND STILL LEAVE PEACEFULLY...

TROUBLE AND SORROWS ARE A RESULT OF THE DEPRIVED NATURE OF HUMANS...

BUT IT IS ONLY REDEEMABLE BY LOVE..

DO NOT REVENGE, THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN TAKEN CARE OFF, YOU DO NOT EVEN HAVE TO ASK FOR REVENGE FROM YOUR CREATOR.... IT IS UNNECESSARY.

SAVE THAT ENERGY FOR BUILDING YOURSELF AND EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN ASSIGNED TO YOU.....

TA.

Jim Arvo said...

Hi New Yorker,

I somehow just noticed your reply to me from several months ago. Sheesh. Do you know what an ad hominem attack is? Please look it up; in fact, just click here. When Christians come here to proselytize, they nearly always do so in an angry, condescending, or purely selfish manner, and it gets extremely annoying. They (and you) completely ignore the purpose of the site and the wishes of the initial poster. Moreover, they frequently have nothing of substance to offer; this thread is a case in point (including your post). In my posts above, I pointed out that Christianity is one religion among thousands, each claiming fundamentally different doctrines, and each claiming to be a window into some alternate reality. If you come here wishing for others to peer through your particular (imaginary) window, then please be prepared to offer something in support of your beliefs. If not then please go away and save us all a little time and aggravation. It's funny that you see my request as mean-spirited and threatening, and that you respond with flames instead of facts or reason. To me that speaks volumes.

I believe I've crossed paths with you in another thread somewhere, and you were obnoxious there as well. Let me reiterate, if you have something of substance to offer, then please do, and we can have a civil discussion about it, otherwise.... we won't. Simple really.

NY: "Just like you want the option to believe what you want, give people the same courtesy!"

Anybody can believe anything they wish, and for whatever reason they wish. I've said that dozens of times on this site. But I draw the line when people come here thinking they are on a mission from god to force their views on others, and for no discernable reason other than the fact that it is their belief and we had therefore better believe it too.

NY: "And for the record, the reason I'm not putting my name is because you might be some insane lunatic."

You misunderstand. I complain when people use "Anonymous" as opposed to something like "New Yorker". The former leads to no end of confusion because there are so many of them. I don't care to know what your name is, although I have no problem telling you mine. In fact, you can find out anything you want about me through Google. Does that mean I don't have similar concerns about you possibly being an "insane lunatic"? No. I have far more reason to suspect socially unacceptable behavior from you than you do from me. But I feel something of a social responsibility to stand up to the religious bigotry shown by vitriolic believers, and I feel that using my own name lends force to what I say. I have no problem standing up, saying ENOUGH, and signing my name to it.

Musa, I'll try to reply to your missive later. I admit that at first glance I can't make much sense of it. Who, exactly, are you addressing? Are you offering pure opinion, or do you claim some defensible basis for your admonitions?

Jim Arvo said...

Musa,

I admit that I'm still a little unclear as to who you are addressing, and what you are trying to say. However, I'll try to respond briefly anyway.

You frequently use the word "truth," speaking of those who seek it and wish to share it. That word always gives me pause, and I use it very sparingly myself, for as far as I can see, anyone who claims to possess the "truth" surely does not. In my opinion, the loftiest ideal we can strive for is warranted belief, by which I mean beliefs that can be rationally defended, yet remain open to critical analysis and doubt. The latter attributes are essential, for without them beliefs become dogmas. In a battle of dogmas there can be no winner and therefore, in my opinion, precious little to gain.

I won't attempt to respond to specific statements in the capitalized portion of your post, because they seem to be aphorisms, and I'm not sure how literally you intended them.

Joel said...

Maureen you were never saved! you were never really convicted by God to look at your own faults and see that you actually needed Jesus. And not religion. Being baptised is nothing if you dont have a relationship with God.
I am a minister a young minister an i can also see that from an early age you have been exposed to many spiritual chanels and outlets cause you to be confused and in search of some fulfilment. But u was on the right track until you got baptised and 4 got to be saved. Jesus is speaking to you today. Come out of Bondage, Come out of Bitterness and Hate, Come out of confusion and fustration In Jesus Name. We the kingdom of God Bind every work of satan in your life, Every false and evil spirit that is not of God. We cancel The assignments of Darkness and declare light in your life. We loose the power and Blood of Jesus Christ or Nazereth. because in him and through him only shall we be saved. I decree this in Jesus Name!! Amen. You are Free to except Jesus in your life as of now. If u beleive he died & rose for your sins. You shall b restored of all the blessings and things the devil robbed from you. Go thy way In Jesus name.

Anonymous said...

Congratulation!! You just went from one religion to another!! Don't you realize it !!
Better to know personaly to One that has made the religion God and His son Jesus.

boomSLANG said...

When it rains, it pours! LMAO! good stuff!

Okay, let's play a little, shall we?

Fundonymous said:
Congratulation!!


Um.... thank!!(?) lol

Fundonymous said: You just went from one religion to another!! Don't you realize it(?) !!

Well, little man, if you are addressing non-believers, then no, NON-belief, itself, doesn't constitute a "religion". And honestly, the implication is quite asinine. That would be like saying that because Christians don't believe in Osiris, Toth, Poseiden, Mithra, Allah, Muhammed, Buddha, Neptune, etc.....that they then have TWO "religions". Yes, one for their precious Jebus, and another for the 6 trillion other gods that they DON'T believe in. See?..it's idiotic, isn't it?(Rhetorical)

Fundonymous: Better to know personaly[sic] to One that has made the religion God and His son Jesus.

Um...whAT? lol!

Follower of the one true GOD said...

GOD loves you and is not angry about your ignorance. HIS desire is that you get to know HIM intimately, not religiously. And just as our country has rules for your to follow inorder to gain citizenship so does GOD. HE already banished the spirit who exhalted himself and tried to dethrone GOD, why would GOD put up with a human who isn't willing to submit to earthly authority and assume you would submit to heaven authority. And if you are looking for a church to pascify your fleshly desires to do what you want there are many, but only one truth. Possibly many have started because they were angry at others. BE A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST not men. It is your responsiblity to study to find out what is scriptural. You stated that you believe in some historical scriptures, but how can you possibly believe some. If part are false then they are all false. Don't let the enemy deceive you or worst you deceive yourself. Seek the truth sincerly and diligently and you'll find truth. GOD loves you and will help lead you to truth not religion. GOD desires a relationship, not religion. HE desires to know you intimately through spending time with HIM just as you did when dating your husband. Give GOD a chance you desrve it.

.:webmaster:. said...

Follower,

You apparently know exactly what your god wants. I wonder, how do you know that this god of yours thinks what you think it thinks?

Further, how do you know this god of yours is even real?

Please don't tell me "because the Bible tells me so," because the Qur'an tells others differently. Moldy old tomes written by ancient ignorant peasants should hardly be authoritative on matters of this importance.

dano said...

Follower of the one true GOD wrote:
"GOD desires a relationship, not religion. HE desires to know you intimately through spending time with HIM just as you did when dating your husband. Give GOD a chance you desrve it."

dano asks:
Follower! I take it that you are a woman since you speak of your intimate relation ship with HIM. What I want to know is, was it good for you?

Obviously it was. Can you give us any of the intimate details? How much time did God spend with you? Did he stay overnight?

Did he perform any miracles for you other than giving you loving, like only God can?

Did he restore the missing the limbs of an amputee just back from Iraq? Did he promise that he would keep even a hundred thousand babies from starving to death while being held in their mothers arms this week?

Follower, I love these stories. More details please.
Dan

Anonymous said...

God is real. Jesus is real and if you seek, you will find.

If you care(in your heart) ask Him to reveal Himself. He will

stronger now said...

I did anonymous, I did. But god didn't do anything. So that means he isn't real.

Astreja said...

Anonymous, since you are the one making the extraordinary claim that your god is somewhat more than a figment of your imagination, please contact your invisible buddy and request the following:

1. Spontaneous healing and full limb restoration of all amputees, paraplegics and quadriplegics currently living on this planet.

2. Glowing letters in the sky that clearly identify *which* god is responsible for this miracle. It could just as easily be Eir, Asclepius, or Diancecht, y'know.

If your god comes through with the goods, we'll talk.

Anonymous said...

IMO thats pretty dumb listen to yourself you quit because you didn't agree? I mean you are entitled to think something was not legit, it is your money and you don't have to givr it to the church.

Anonymous said...

WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS GIVEYOUR HEART OVER TO JESUS AND ALLOW HIM RULE YOUR LIFE. ON PROBLEM I THINK YOU HAVE IS TRING TO LOOK AT FAULTS AND LOOKING FOR ERRORS! GODS WORD IS PERFECT, NOT CONTRADICTING LIKE OTHER BOOKS. YOU CANNOT INTERPREAT THE WORD OF GOD WITH YOUR HUMAN ATTAINED KNOWLEDGE.(WHO TAUGHT YOU HOW TOP READ? OF COURSE HUMAN) BUT WHO GIVES THE UNDERSTANDIONG OF THE BIBLE? GOD'S SPIRIT CAN TEACH YOU. WE SHOULD NNOT BEHAVE LIKE THOSE WHO TRY TO INTERPREAT THE SCRIPTURES WITH THEIR OWN KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE IF YOU DO YOUT WILL HAVE PROBLEMS. AND FOR YOU TO CALL GODS WORD "CRAP" YOU HAVE TO REPENT AND PRAY FOR FORGIVENESS. GOD WHO IS MERCIFULL IS ALSO GOD THAT ANSWERETH BY FIRE AND HE JUDGES. IF YOU ARE STILL ALIVE TO READ THIS BY NOW THEN I BELIEVE GOD HAS GIVEN YOU THE BREATH YOU ARE BREATHING NOW SO YOU CAN STILL REPENT OF YOUR SINS. REMEMBER, GOD LOVES YOU! BUT THE FACT THAT HE LOVES YOU DOES NOT MAN YOU WILL NOT GO TO HELL IF YOU REFUSE HIM TILL THE DAY OF JUDGMENT. HE GAVE YOU THE POWER OF CHOICE WHEN HE CREATED YOU. SO DECIDE TODAY, HEAVEN OR HELL? JESUS OR YOURSELF? BOTH WILL SURELY LAND YOU ON DIFFERENT PARTS. FOLLOW PEACE WITH ALL MEN AND HOLINESS WITHOUT WHICH NO MAN SHALL SEE THE LORD
NOTE THAT I AM STILL A CHRISTIAN AND NOT AN "EX" I AM A BIBLE BELIVER I BELIEVE IN HOLINESS AND I DONT JUST BELIEVE I HAVE PRECTICALLY TESTED OF GODS PRESENCE AND POWER AND ITS REAL, THE BIBLE IS A BLESSING TO US ALL

Astreja said...

CapsLock-Challenged Anonymous: "YOU CANNOT INTERPREAT THE WORD OF GOD WITH YOUR HUMAN ATTAINED KNOWLEDGE."

Wrong, kid. We have successfully interpreted "the word of God" many, many times and will continue to do so.

"AND FOR YOU TO CALL GODS WORD "CRAP" YOU HAVE TO REPENT AND PRAY FOR FORGIVENESS."

No, I don't. Repent for speaking the truth? Not gonna happen, little Bible-Bot. Not now, not ever. The Old and New Testaments alike are obscene, violent shit that are not the "word" of any god worthy of the name. Attributing the Bible to any genuine gods (should any actually exist) is a fucking insult to gods everywhere.

SO DECIDE TODAY, HEAVEN OR HELL?

Hell, please.

babylin20 said...

To all of you who may be doubting the existence of God and His Holy Word (The Bible)this was written in The Bible in Romans 14:9-11
9For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. 11It is written:
" 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord,
'every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will confess to God.' "[a] 12So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.

Anonymous said...

Maureen, I know the Lord personally and just think The Word of God says, "His eye is on the Sparrow." THink about it for a minute, If he loves that stupid sparrow so much that he keeps his eye on it, how much do you think he loves you? do you think it is accidental that you posted this? No, I love you and know this, The man that died for you loves you even more

freethinker05 said...

Babylin, what are you thinking? Just because this is an EX-CHRISTIAN site,and most of us here are NON-BELIEVERS, what in the world gave you that i.....?; HELL YES, we doubt in your biblegod; read some of the testimonials to find out why, you Big baby, and grow up willya? Roger,Agnostic/Atheist

freethinker05 said...

Heh Anony, allah,(praise be his holy name),tells me in the, "Holy Quran" that he loves and wants to save me; could you give me some advice as to what he really desires of me? Thanks, Roger

Astreja said...

Particularly clueless Anonymous: "I know the Lord personally..."

I rather doubt that. More likely, "the Lord" that you "know" is entirely a creation of your own imagination.

"'His eye is on the Sparrow.' Think about it for a minute, If he loves that stupid sparrow so much..."

Ahem. I think sparrows are fascinating and beautiful. Kindly refrain from calling them 'stupid'.

"The man that died for you loves you even more."

Speaking for myself, I have never in my life asked anyone to die for me. Nor will I, as I consider substitutionary atonement to be utterly barbaric. I refuse this unsolicited and probably entirely imaginary gift.

And I, personally, don't give a flying fuck how much the alleged giver "loves" me. If some invisible being decided it needed to kill itself to save me from its own wrath... Serves it right, and good riddance.

DUBLE said...

It has been such a long time since the last entry was made to this blog. I say this to say that I hope that those who shared their position may have a chance to read My input as well...

The Koran, I Ching, Bhagavad-Gita, Krishna of India, Jesus the CHRIST, Melchzidec the Christ, The Book of Tao, Enoch the Christ, Buddah... ALL have something WORTHWILD and LIFE GIVING to say and add to this existence We ALL Share. Since this is a Christian based blog I will continue in its direction...
The so-called "Church" has been twisted up so badly, that many turn away from it. I dont blame them. When they pronounce that, "If you don't belive in Jesus CHRIST, then you will go to hell/ can't make it in to Heaven", they are missing Understanding and so spread that MisUnderstanding which brings doubt and irritation to others and The ALMIGHTY ONE FATHER is not about that at all. Knowing that CHRIST is LOVE and replacing that into the same statement changes everything, "IF U DO NOT BELIVE IN LOVE THAN U CAN NOT MAKE IT IN TO HEAVEN". See, begin to awaken...

If U first seperate Jesus the Man and CHRIST and Understand that Jesus had to Train and Learn how remove the Uncleanlyness from Himself in order to recieve CHRIST (SPIRT), thats why He recieved the Holy Spirit when He was 30, then U will see that the CHRISTHOOD is something U work towards and can obtain. Jesus said that, ..."those who follow My teachings will do the deeds I have done AND EVEN GREATER", imagine that! Even greater!!

The Whole Reason WHY Jesus came was to experience Life as a Man, but the "Church" turns Him into a deity, something unreachable, but that is not True at all. Jesus came to announce that "Just as I have done, so can U do", He came to let Us know it is possible. Jesus was a GOD-Man; a Master Soul and yes, there have been others, just as there are others today.

I will leave this mention-ing cuz We can go on for a time, Religion it self come from a latin-word regilous(mght b misspelld) which means I M P R I S O N M E N T/ C A P T I V I T Y ... BE FREE, BE HOPE, BE FAITH... BE LOVE.
PEACE IN.
-THE M.A.S.S.
themass_dream@yahoo.com

nandan said...

Hey Maureen!
All will not be saved Out of large amount of clay the gold is litte ! Why do you want to put youreself into the clay ? Word of God says God's sheep listens to his voice and walks and dosn't listen to anyones voice ! God Loves You and want's you to be saved. that's why he sent his son so that all may be saved BUT ONLY IF YOU BELIVE IN HIM! Life and Death is at your disposal CHOOSE!!!

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