My Son

sent in by J.H. Milivojevic

if my mother loved me so much

then why did she lie to me so much

why did she try to make me believe in magic

why did she try to make me believe in life after death

why did try to make me believe that god hears me when I tell a lie

why did she try to make me believe that we will all be together again after we die



do you believe in magic

have you ever believed in magic

haven’t you always appreciated good sleight of hand

haven’t you always appreciated a good demonstration of defiance of the laws of nature?

a coin disappears into thin air

a rabbit appears out of nowhere

Jesus dies a horrible agonizing death – then comes back to life

[god knows why…who would want to come back to such torture?]

eventually my mother explained to me about the tooth fairy

then later about santa claus

but she has continued to hang on to the magic of jesus

what a dirty joke



now she’s old and scared because she suspects she really will be punished for all the really bad stuff she did during her life – it just seems too easy to get off simply by believing in the magic.

let’s see….

she hurt my dad by flirting and sleeping around while married to him

she had those two kids by another man, but she made my dad put his name on the birth certificate – twice!

she emotionally abandoned me when she fell in love with that guy

and she did even worse with poor little Patti

she never would stand up for Mary when dad attacked her and put her down so bad



she did all that bad stuff and yet they’ve been telling her all her life that she will be forgiven simply by believing that jesus is the true son of god

but what about dressing the wounds?

what about addressing the injuries?

What about apologizing?

What about acknowledging those hurts?

this might be the very, very worst crime that christianity is guilty of


Norman
Oklahoma
USA
Joined: 11
Left: 12
Was: southern baptist
Now: atheist
Converted under: parental guidance
De-converted becuase of: clear thinking
email: jaquine at ou.edu

11 comments:

FatherTyme said...

I think most of us fell victim of the same lie. We trust our parents to tell us the truth, because we presume that they know more than we do, because they were here first, and they fell for the same lie as we did, because they had been lied to by their parents and when you'r'e little you're not going to call your parents liars even if know deep down iside that it's a lie.

I never told my parents that Santa was a lie, nor the tooth fairy, although I knew something was amiss.

I bet they never told you how the pilgrims came over with their jesus book and killed 99% of the American Indians in the name of their bible god.

Christians have allowed themselves to be mentally dumbed down and we have lost our way as a nation and America is slowly sinking into the abyss of jesus loves me 2000 years ago.

All religions are derived from childhood fear, what if I get sick, what if I die, where will I go, we've been told as long as we have jesus by our side, everything will be alright, but they forgot to tell the American Indians that!

Welcome to sanity!

Art Ellis said...

Even though I agree that Christianity is a myth, opiate of the masses, etc., you should blame your mother for failing to take personal responsibility, not for her belief in mythology. She obviously hurt you very deeply, as your painfully expressed writing bears testimony. Hopefully, time, and your own emotional resources will bring about the needed healing.

On another note, this has always been my pet gripe about Christianity--it is a religion of abnegation. It teaches that its followers have no personal responsibility. While you might not believe in God, at least Judaism teaches personal responsibility. No scapegoats in that religion. (Yeah, I know, it has its own myths).

Art Ellis said...

Even though I agree that Christianity is a myth, opiate of the masses, etc., you should blame your mother for failing to take personal responsibility, not for her belief in mythology. She obviously hurt you very deeply, as your painfully expressed writing bears testimony. Hopefully, time, and your own emotional resources will bring about the needed healing.

On another note, this has always been my pet gripe about Christianity--it is a religion of abnegation. It teaches that its followers have no personal responsibility. While you might not believe in God, at least Judaism teaches personal responsibility. No scapegoats in that religion. (Yeah, I know, it has its own myths).

Dan (Rationalist) said...

J.H. Milivojevic,
Am I seeing correctly that you are only 12 years old? Or have you been free of Christianity for a while?

Gee! It took me about 60 more years and the advent of the Internet to realize that the bible was just bad fiction!
Dan

wes said...

1 Corinthians 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles,... I don't post this to defend God, Jesus, or the Bible. God can surely do this Himself. But I post this to ask this question. What if all this is real? What if in one moment you are taken from this world and you just happen to come face to face with God. Not the God of America that is all loving, even though that is an attribute of him. But a God that is Just and Holy (pure), that demands payment for that that was against Him. What if in that moment that when you come face to face, you realize, this is real and there are no turn abouts because you where given chances and you have heard. Even now. Now imagine the complete seperation from all that you know, comfort, satisfation, hope. All this provided by God here, and after a complete seperation from him, gone. What if all this is fiction, but the inside of you is saying "what if it is real". If it isn't, then Jesus is just a man and a liar, and we who follow Him lived a life in vain but just a good life. If it is though. For most of you, this is another chance to reject Jesus as well as a chance to laugh, look down on us and think that we are blind to reality. No, each of us knows. From the begining, we each felt there was more, questions like where did this or that come from? We look for man's reason because that is what is here what is tangable, but God is not like that. Is the wind real? You can't see it, but you feel and see the effects it has. Is God real?

.:webmaster:. said...

Wes,

Okay, let's suppose that this god of yours is the one true god.

Now, when I get before him, he's going to damn me for eternity, right? I'm going to live eternally in horrific unending horror - am I right on?

Okay fine.

My temporal sins are going to be justly dealt with by a never ending retributive punishment.

I would like you, Wes, to tell us here exactly what horrific crimes you've committed in your life that you believe you deserve to be torured for, not just a little while, but for ever and ever and ever? What crime or crimes do you think you've done that justify an eternity of woe?

The trouble with your god's sense of justice is that it's not nearly as well developed as modern man's. The punishment should fit the crime, don't you think? Really, the only sin that will send me to your god's hell is the sin of unbelief.

Unbelief?

Sounds kind of petty to me. I don't believe in you so I get tortured?

Think about it Wes.

boomSLANG said...

Wes & Co., somewhere on the other side of the planet there is a hindii man who wakes up everyday and toils in the beaming sun all day long to feed, clothe, and provide shelter for his wife and children. This same man is civil and abides by the laws of HIS society. This same man will be bedside when his own mother and father's health deteriorates, waiting to comfort them before they pass. This SAME man would help YOU if you were stranded on the side of the road, yet, according to your---not his--- but YOUR religion, this SAME man will spend an eternity in a "lake of fire" for not believing in your "holy" and "pure" American God.

I'm sorry, but any being who puts belief BEFORE a man's character isn't worthy of beans, let alone "praise". Of course, this is totally presupposing the existance of Yahweh, the ever invisible Biblegod.

So Wes, firstly, please provide objective evidence for the existance of your god, EXcluding the X-ian bible, which has no other proof than "itself". Waiting.

Lorena said...

Hey Wes,

What if it weren't true that Jesus is coming in the clouds to get you?

What if every time you prayed, there was noboby there listening?

What if when you get to the other side, you realize you wasted your time following pointless rules and regulations?

What if Christianity is a big myth created by the Roman empire to keep the masses appeased?

What if people invented the redemption doctrine because all religious rituals in the ancient world involved blood sacrifices?

The what if's from us to you can go on forever!

Lorena
http://exfundamentalist.blogspot.com/

FatherTyme said...

To preach means to repeat something that has already been written or said before.


You can see the Sun, you can feel it's presense, without the Sun we would all soon die, you know for 100% certainity that the Sun exists. How come you prefer to worship something that no one has ever seen, and you have no way of knowing or proving that it exists, yet you prefer to worship something that someone has told you exists?

Where's the logic in worshipping an invisible concept invented by a man?

Dan (Rationalist) said...

Wes,
I think you are saying that we should believe the bible stories and the Jesus story in particular, just because we have a need to believe in something more "just" than the "Survival of the fittest" The system that God created whereas the strongest, smartest, and most cunning survive and reproduce, and the weak, stupid, and naive fall to the wayside, and become extinct.

So what symbol does God give us to signal that we should stop killing and overpowering the weak and stupid, in order to enhance our own survival?

Well, he creates a human and gives him the special status of "Only Son," and then proceeds to have him murdered as a sacrifice to himself.

That ain't a very good start Wes! IT smacks of paganism!
Dan (Rationalist)

Valerie said...

painful and beautiful, J.H. You will find that this is a community of healing. People who are comfortable in Christianity rarely ask the hard questions - it's feeling raw that makes the falsehoods transparent and sends us searching for something better. Welcome.

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